What I am seeing here is a story of someone who goes through a process of creating an illusion of who they are and living it through a codependent relationship.  Some idealized version of the ideal partnership.  One that everyone can see them as the best they can be.  And then, over time becomes disillusioned from seeing through it, and needs to go through a process of grief and surrender.  Then learns to be in relationship with a sense of individuation by way of objectivity through trial and error.  Eventually landing in a beautiful place where they can see their partner for who they are and from a place of self-actualized individuality.   

 

The illusion

This may draw them to be in a relationship where they are with a partner that makes them feel like the idealized person, an illusion that they have given ultimate meaning to. This includes a partner that has been distorted in their view to embody the illusionary qualities.

Excellent Bob, all well said.

• Creating the illusion.  Seeing themselves as this person that is different because of it.  Assigning ultimate meaning to who that is.  And then having something to protect and be afraid of losing.

• Projecting the illusion on their partner.

• Feeling good about who they are because of being seen as someone they have given ultimate meaning to because of the illusion.  

• Becoming disillusioned when they start to see their partner and themselves for who they actually are.  Maybe their partner changes and doesn’t see them in the same way.  And they come crashing down off the pedestal.  Or other people start to see through it and don’t adore them and hold them up in a way that reflects the illusionary tendencies.

• Trying to keep the illusion by supplementing the feeling of connection.  Maybe through addictions or changing the essence of the illusion itself.  And being afraid of losing the illusion, they may start fawning and placating to protect their place.  Or looking for supplemental connections from others through socializing, only to realize that it drives their partner further away.

• Giving up the illusion.  Forgiveness and surrender.  This may be a process they go through that involves periods of grief and the stages involved.

• Finding a new way to be in relationships that combines a sense of objectivity through individuation within the relationship and having the courage to be their true self.

• Being able to bring that new sense of true self into the relationships and in concert with seeing a partner as a beautiful soul in the reality of who they really are.  Fostering a sense of playfulness within relationships. This will start allowing the unfolding of something that is both of them to flow through and blossom into something that is organic.  And building upon themselves in a creative way together in interdependence.  

• Creative actualization - Knowing that this relationship they have now transformed does not mean everything about who they are, and if it ends, they will still be themselves.  But knowing who that self is and that it doesn’t go away with the end of connection.

All of these are possible expressions - but I notice you are placing singular emphasis on the Libra, and not so much the 5th (other than references of feeling special etc). Being this is in the 5th house, I'd like to see more of this area of life experience and how that expresses here.

I feel like this can manifest in many different types of relationships like a work relationship, where they create an illusion about who they are.  Making it about if they can work at a certain company or reach a certain level within the hierarchy of it.  

 

It may also manifest as a relationship within a school.  Where they give ultimate meaning to being accepted for an image of who they see in an illusion.

 

And lastly, I feel it could manifest through a transit of these archetypes and unfold over a smaller period of time within a cycle.  I felt like taking a chance here and seeing how you react to this Ari.  <Me out on the limb>  

Well of course it could, as transits can trigger the same dynamics of natal planets (i.e. Neptune transiting the Sun in Libra, or aspecting Venus in the 5th house etc) - but that is not relevant to where we are now in the curriculum.

You are very dead on in grasping the essence of Neptune in Libra but I'm seeing a lacking here in applying it in the 5th. Consider that in the 5th house we are looking at creative actualization and purpose. Common manifestations of Libra 5th just to give you more of a sense of it:

- Children's counselor

- creative/actor/performer that can get the heart of different characters

- a party/ evet organizer for special functions or events - will specialize in making people feel celebrated for their special days.

And of course we have dynamics involving children (being a child and if that child is seen/ adored for who they are) as well as parents relative to their children: if the parents are idealizing or ignoring their children vs actually serving what the child truly needs.

See my response to other students to get more of this and feel free to share more if you'd like. I also did a quick search - two well known people with this signature are Bruce Springsteen and George Lucas.

Thank you for the feedback, Ari.  After reading through I can now see exactly what you are saying.  I felt like I was trying to put some flavor of the 5th house in there, But I can see now that it was subtle.  It seemed to have taken me a while to wrap my head around the Neptune ultimate meaning concept and now I am getting the swing of putting all three together.  

I had some thoughts on adding in the 5th.  

This could be someone who writes children's songs.  Harmonizing and creating a catchy tune.  Spending time writing the lyrics carefully to balance them just right with the music. 

An actor who realized he is not happy just acting and decides to become an elementary school drama teacher that is devising and writing his own plays.  Encouraging the kids to follow in his footsteps and become active in the acting field.  Showing them the tricks and tips.  Wanting to see the students excel.  Possibly pick a student he feels has a special talent and pours a lot of effort into getting them over the top and into the acting field.  Giving ultimate meaning to whether or not they make it.  Feeling like it was a reflection of themselves.  Then breaking down and feeling disillusioned over possibly losing one of the kids not doing it right in their mind.  Ultimately need to go through the grieving process and forgiveness and hopefully landing in a space where they can let divine grace flow through them in a playful manor that allows both of them to blossom out into something new.

Looking forward to the Venus teaching.